Panzerwrecks 13: General corrections & updates from Daniele Guglielmi

I received an email from my friend Daniele Guglielmi, author of many Italian theatre books, with a few corrections and observations. Over to you Daniele:

Page 1, you can see at lest three types of tyres on the AB41s: two of Celerflex models (taken from trucks), and Artiglio di sicurezza (run-flat, very rare). It’s possible that the other wheels had the other two models used: Artiglio and Libia.

Page 4, did not both the Marder III Ausf. H and M have the same crew of four?

Page 11, Pignataro (not Pignatora).

Page 18 etc., the StuG and StuH III belonged surely to the StuG Brigade 242; this unit had a particular way to bring the side spare track links.

Page 28, in October 1944 the Tiger number 334 was used as a target on the beaches of Riccione, at the presence of the new 8th Army commander, Gneral McCreery. The German tank was totally destroyed by the shots of 6pdr, 17pdr and 75mm guns.

Page 50, StuG Brigade 242, as above see the reversed side spare tracks.

Page 51, Artena, not Ortona (which lies 200 km east)

Page 52, did not the Sd.Kfz. 7/2 belong to the Hermann Goering Division?

Pages 58, 59, I think that the Sd.Kfz. 10 was found near the Tiger of the s.Pz.Abt. 504 destroyed in Cecina on 1st July, 1944; the pictures came form a roll of the same series. Apart for the Tiger unit, in the area there was the 16. SS Panzergrenadier-Division RFSS, which employed some StuG III Ausf. F8 and G.

Page 74 etc., many photos were taken by British and New Zealand reporters on 28 June 1944 near Ficulle (Terni), a town with an important railway station. The Regio Esercito (Italian Royal Army) received in 1941 two Canon de 194 GPF sur chenilles Saint Chamond (named Cannone da 194/32 su affusto a cingoli Saint Chamond). After the Italian armistice of 9 September, 1943, the two vehicles were captured by the Germans, who used them (as 19,4cm Kanone 485(f) GPF) for the coastal defence of the town and the port of Civitavecchia (west of Rome). One of these two SPG is now exposed in the museum of Aberdeen, Maryland, USA.

Page 78, I believe that the first dug-in Panther showed was in the Gothic line north of Pesaro, on the eastern side of the line, in August 1944 and the second one on the Gustav line in May 1944.

Page 92, I believe that the circular unit insignia was for the Panzer-Regiment 26, not for the whole 26. Panzer-Division, which used the old marking (see on the two Panzer IVs at the pages 90 and 91, on the turret skirt and on the front of the hull) until the end of war.

Page 96, probably the Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G destroyed in Villa Grande in December 1943 belonged to the 90. Panzergrenadier-Division.

Duel in the Mist 2 Errata: Part 1

Conscientious authors that they are, the Duel in the Mist team have been finding a few things that needed correction. Over to them:

No Hellcats
P.8
This reserve was the result of the recent conversion to the mobile M-10 Wolverine tank destroyer. The 2nd Platoon, already equipped with four M-10 TD’s, had originally been with the 2nd Bn, 119th Inf Rgt and thus escaped the debacle at STOUMONT.

P.30 The 823rd TD Bn had a frustrating day as it tried in vain to get the ten M-10 TD’s they were scheduled to receive plus an additional four from the 9th US Army. At the end of the day, it was near TARGNON, with the 2nd Platoon having moved up its four M-10 TD’s all the way on the N.33 to the positions of the 1st Bn, 119th Inf Rgt on the outskirts of STOUMONT.

Replace M-18 Hellcat by M-10 Wolverine on pages 8 and 30.

703rd TD Bn
P.122
A platoon of M-36 tank destroyers from Company B, 703rd TD Bn, 3rd Armd Div was supposed to support the 504th PIR.

P.175 Map
Tank Destroyers of Company B, 703rd TD Bn supported the elimination of the remaining German strong points.

Replace Company C, 703rd TD Bn by Company B, 703rd TD Bn on pages 122 and 175.

Addendum
The story of the 703rd TD Bn at CHENEUX

The old tank destroyer witch which must have laid some curse on us. Not only do the typos and errors rise in geometric proportions once we try to weave them into our narrative, invariably also new sources open up to us only after the story has gone into print. This was so with DITM 1, where the crucial engagement with the two Platoons of Company A, 823rd TD Bn at STOUMONT should be the subject of a rewrite as our understanding of this phase has deepened over the last three years. Maybe something we can set straight in a second edition. It has happened again with DITM 2.

As for the 703rd TD Bn at CHENEUX, we feel that the interested reader should have some additional information. One does recall that the men of 504th PIR were not impressed by the performance that the pair of M-36 Tank Destroyers put up in this engagement, to say the least. At one point, It it seems that an exasperated Lt Col Willard Harrison, Commanding Officer 1st Bn, 504th PIR, even ordered his men to shoot at the TD’s if they would continue to ignore his order to advance (DITM 2, p, 136). What do the tank destroyer men tell in turn? Their story can be glimpsed in their After Action Report that can be found on the fantastic website www.tankdestroyer.net.
First of all, we now can identify the unit as 2nd Platoon, Company B, 703rd TD Bn, led by a certain Lt Roberts. The report adds that the platoon was immediately attached to 2nd Battalion, 504th PIR for their night attack. Actually, they were attached to the 1st Battalion. The 2nd Battalion would eventually relieve the paratroopers from Red at CHENEUX on Dec. 22nd after the hard fought battle. Only a section (two TD’s) was available, the other two tank destroyers were down for repairs. Their mission was to move along the first elements of the paratrooper outfit, making as much noise as possible and shooting at everything in order to give the impression of a much bigger armoured thrust. This looked like a good idea, only with visibility down to 25 yards, the intended show of strength somehow failed to make a big impression on both the paratroopers and the Germans. In due course, the initial infantry attack stalled as is described in detail in DITM 2. The 20mm Flak near House Boutet was singled out to be the reason for all this trouble (see the Sd.Kfz. 10/5 in DITM 2, p. 132, as the likely suspect). The tank destroyers “were not in a position to take the 20mm under fire”, as the report reads. No wonder with them being hiding behind some brushes 400 yards back, we are inclined to add and of course there is no word about them being literally kicked into action. The next move in order to do something for the paratroopers was text-book frog leaping, only with one frog staying behind and the other one doing all the leaping: “One destroyer moved up the road while the other remained in position covering its advance.” With visibility down to 25 yards, the unlucky crew having drawn the up-front assignment would soon have scuttled out of sight of their supportive comrades, we suppose. The first thing they chanced upon was a German halftrack on the right side of the road. We think that this must have been the Sd.Kfz. 251/9 in its advanced position in front of the Boutet House (see DITM 2, p. 128). The visibility must indeed have been very low, as the ensuing action speaks of a frantic scramble to get the gun laid on this unsuspected target: “As the gunner swung the gun around, the tube struck the other vehicle” and the driver “immediately reversed the destroyer”. At the same time the German crew was abandoning the halftrack and “was considerably helped by a round of HE [high explosive] which completely destroyed the vehicle and crew.” Although it’s impossible to construct a clear timeline from all the accounts about the CHENEUX action, we still think that the halftrack had already been put out of action at this time by Pfc Del Grippo. The (wounded or shocked?) crew might still have lingered about, but that would not have been the sensible thing to do in this case. If the halftrack mentioned was indeed the Sd.Kfz. 251/9, the high explosive round didn’t completely destroy it, as could be expected against a fully armoured vehicle. Looking at the photograph, it’s interesting to note that a round fired from the tank destroyer coming in on the road behind would be into the rear of the halftrack. The vehicle wouldn’t have had a chance to quickly bring its fixed gun to bear on its adversary.

“In rapid succession”, the tank destroyer then knocked out the 20mm flak wagon and a halftracked prime mover. As before, we think that the 20mm flak wagon had been put out of action by the paratroopers earlier and that the tank destroyer probably only wanted to make sure it would stay dead. There was an Opel Maultier with a 10,5cm howitzer still in tow (see DITM 2, p. 128) on the right side of the road and another one stranded in a small lane just opposite the Boutet House on the left side (see DITM 2, p. 130). Could it be that the modification to its rear was done by the tank destroyer? We probably will never know.

What followed next ties in well with our own narrative. When the paratroopers had reached and consolidated their positions at the Boutet House, a Sd.Kfz. 251/17 prevented any further move down the road into the village. The LMG platoon was brought up, only to be shot to pieces. We think that this actually prompted a very angry battalion commander to get back to the tank destroyers and kick them in their backside (DITM 2, p. 138). If so, the real moment of glory for the tank destroyer crew was still to come. What happened now is quite interesting. Apparently, the halftrack was partially obstructed by the Gaspard House and the tank destroyer, being road bound in difficult terrain, couldn’t move into a good fire position. “Therefore, the next best choice was made- to knock away the protection and then go after the vehicle.” APC BDF ammo was used to blast away the wall and then to destroy the vehicle. Indeed, the Narrative of Action of the First Battalion, 504th PIR officially credited the tank destroyer with knocking out the “self-propelled 20mm gun” with two rounds. The tank destroyer AAR continues with two more halftracks being driven out from their hiding places behind [other] buildings and destroyed while attempting to retreat down the road. We haven’t been able to find any traces of these halftracks so far. The next wrecks on the road were yet another Opel Maultier in the process of pulling out a 10.5cm howitzer from cover and a Sd.Kfz. 10/5 (see DITM 2, p. 182 ff).

This conciliatory outcome surely helps to restore the reputation of the tank destroyers, wouldn’t it be for Pvt Kinney (see DITM 2, p. 137, Fn 457), having a well-deserved smoke in the backyard of the Gaspard House after knocking out a very troublesome German halftrack with his hand grenades and being scared to death by some tank destroyer suddenly firing into the house!

When on the next day, the paratroopers launched their attack, the tank destroyers were given the mission to drive through the village, “clearing out whatever they could find” until meeting with the flanking force. When the attack started, one tank destroyer almost immediately knocked out a 105mm gun and prime mover, thereby blocking the road which made it necessary to find an alternate route. Clearly we have arrived at the situation just described above (see DITM 2, p. 183 ff). The tank destroyers would move “cautiously through farmyards and alleys” while their infantry support mopped up pockets of resistance behind them. They finally joined the flanking force and by 2100, CHENEUX was cleared. Setting up a road black in the eastern portion of the village, during the night the section destroyed another flak wagon which had remained in concealment and tried to escape across the river towards LA GLEIZE. The next morning, 22nd Dec. 1944, the two other tank destroyers joined the section and provided anti-tank protection to the eastern approaches. In the afternoon, the platoon was ordered back to BRA into divisional reserve and would stay there till 24th Dec. 1944.

We think this is a perfect example that like coins, stories have two sides. We have learned that in a lot of cases, it’s almost impossible to get at the truth. Narratives are made by humans, not film cameras or recorders, and narratives of war are made by humans experiencing some of the most demanding situations of human condition, often overwhelmed by them. In the end, it’s up to reader to make up his own narrative and his own truth. We only strive to give him as much input as we can with prime sources.

Panzerwrecks 11: Normandy Marders: Unit and Location Identification from Niels Henkemans

The vehicle on p.21-23 matches a vehicle that was destroyed near Isigny, [and points to] Pzj.Abt.352. Shots of a Panzerjager 35R(f) at the same dump support a link with 352.Inf.Div. as Schnelle Brig. 30 fought with that division from the beginning of the invasion.

Page 52: It is certain the vehicle was photographed at the Chef-du-Pont dump, meaning it is a vehicle of 1./Pzj.Abt.243.

Many thanks to Niels for bringing these identifications to our attention!

Repairing the Panzers Vol.1 – a few corrections

Dear interested readers of RtP1

First, we need to apologize to Kevin Fish whom we forgot to put in the acknowledgements on page 6 even though he was among the generous donors of photos (see the photos on pages 121-123 marked correctly KF). He is an author himself (Panzer Regiment 8: In World War II – Poland-France-North Africa) and we are hoping to see more of his work in the future.

Also, the latest results of Holger Erdmann’s and Henry Hoppe’s research have brought to light that some trucks so far identified as Büssing-NAG type 4500 are actually of the earlier type 500 A (4×4) or S (4×2). In fact, the type 500 A and S do not have much in common with each other and seem to have been developed on different types. Later a type 4500 was designed that could easily be transformed from an A to an S version. So, the truck with the hood clearly sloping upwards towards the driver’s cab is a type 500 A, while the truck with a horizontal hood is the type 500 S.

In accordance with that new research, the truck on page 50 is a Büssing-NAG typ 500 A. The truck on page 51 is a Typ 4500 A or S. Contrary to the Büssing-NAG type 500 S, the type 4500 S had a hood which sloped slightly towards the driver’s cab. It differed from the Büssing-NAG type 4500 A by the missing differential gear on the front axle and the less massive wheel hubs of the front axle. The rims of the front axle were totally filled by the massive wheel hubs on the type 4500 A. The different hubs can be easily compared between the photos on page 50 and 51.

To save raw material and for further simplification of production, the rear fenders were dropped and the front fenders were widely simplified. Only four, later two, louvers were stamped into the side plates of the hood.

Visit Holger’s unique and ever evolving site to get more information: www.Kfzderwehrmacht.de

Of course the Tiger on page 177 Tiger has not been photographed in in Nov. of 1944 but of 1943. The correct designation then is 13./SS-Pz.Rgt. 1 LAH.

As expected, there are 3-4 spelling mistakes despite us three Musketeers working the text over and over again. But we leave them for you to find.

At this point we would like to thank again ALL our helpers and supporters for RtP1, of which many are helping us to turn RtP2 into another stunning book at this very moment. Stay tuned!

Lukas

 

Sd.Kfz. for the Nebeltruppen: Misidentified mittlerer Spruehkraftwagen (Sd.Kfz.11/3)

If the step under the driver’s cab is one of the identifiers of a m.Spruehkw. (Sd.Kfz.11/3), then the vehicles on pages 63, 76 and 84 (first vehicle on rail car) are indeed the m.Spruehkw. (Sd.Kfz.11/3) and not the m.Entg.Kw. (Sd.Kfz.11/2). Note the step appeared on both sides of the vehicle. My apologies for these errors.

Panzerwrecks X P76-7 – Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausf.G

Panzerwrecks X is shaping up as the one Panzerwrecks with the most mis-identifications – so far. David Roy was good enough to notice that the vehicle on Pages 76-77 of PWX is a Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausf G, not a Sturmgeschütz III Ausf G.

“On the StuH, the welded mantlet barrel shroud tapers at the end (10.5 cm) and on the the StuG it’s flat ( 7.5 cm). Another way to tell the late production StuG Ausf G from the StuH (minus its main armament) is the travel/barrel lock or lack thereof. All late model StuG III had this fitting, not all StuH (as in your photos Pg 76-77) have the same lock with larger diameter barrel rest for the 10.5 cm.”

Our thanks to David for bringing this to our attention.

Panzerwrecks 1, 3, 4 & 5 – update on wrecks in the Netherlands

Back in December of 2007, we received a letter from Dr NCHM Heitman regarding various German AFVs identified as being in the Netherlands. Parts of his letter are reproduced here for the benefit of our readers:

“After having greatly enjoyed the 5 Volumes (so far) in the Panzerwrecks series I feel I should react to several photos and their captions regarding armoured and other vehicles in the Netherlands in May 1945. I will first list the pages of the various Panzerwrecks volume, alongside the contents of photo and/or caption. Then I will give some remarks.

Panzerwrecks Volume 1: Pages 42-47, showing vehicles in a dump in Utrecht. Marder III, Sherman (2 types), PzKpfw III N are shown amongst others, captions give as formations the I./PzJagAbt 346, 346 Infantry Division, and for the Shermans the Pz.Kp 224.

Panzerwrecks Volume 3 pages 60-61: shown are Renault R35 tanks near Rotterdam.

Panzerwrecks Volume 4, page 80: Marder III, Bergepanzer III (with transmission as cargo), 1 PzKpfw III N.
Page 82: 1 StuG III (kurzrohr) and 2 StuG III (L/48). In total visible are 5 PzKpfw III N. Page 82 also shows 2 Sfl Flak 2 cm, and a number Kettenkrad.

Panzerwrecks Volume 5 pages 18-19: shows 3 Shermans (two types) in German service.
Page 20 shows Zgkw, Marder III M and Mun Pz II amongst others.

Armoured vehicles are somewhat of a rarity in the Netherlands in May 1945, and most were concentrated in the 346. Infanterie Division.

The “Ist-Kriegsgliederung” of May 8, 1945, 1200 hour, shows that PzJagAbt 346 had the following composition:
-Staff
-StabsKompanie,
-Panzer-Aufklaerungszug (arm. Recce platoon)
-1.Kompanie
-2.(Sturmgeschutz) Kompanie
-3.(Panzer) Kompanie

The Armoured Recce Platoon has 5 wheeled armoured recce vehicles equipped with 2 cm guns (type not given). In the 1./PzJagAbt 346 are 4 drawn Pak-guns, alongside 6 self-propelled 2 cm Flak vehicles. The 2.(StuG)/PzJgAbt 346 holds 3 Sturmgeschuetze and 1 x 7.5cm PAK(sf). The 3.(Panzer)PzJagAbt 346 holds 5 PzKpfw III and 3 Sherman tanks.

The weapons overview (9.5.45) give the following within PzJagAbt 346:
-6 x 2cm Flak
-5 x Pak 40
-2 x 7.5cm StuKa L/48
-6 x 7.5cm StuKa L/24
-1 x 7.62cm Sherman
-2 x 7.5cm Sherman

The overview of general equipment (9.5.45) gives for the PzJgAbt 346 (Vehicles only)
-13 x Panjewagen und Landesublich (Horsedrawn vehicles)
-1 x gr. Feldkuchen (large fieldkitchen)
-1 x kl. Feldkuchen (small fieldkitchen)

The overview for the vehicles and equipment and fuels/oils (9.5.45) gives for the various subunits of the PzJgAbt 346 the following:
-Stab: 14 Kraeder (14 mc’s), 1 Kettenkrad, 23 Pkw, 1 KrKw (medical
vehicle/ambulance), 15 Lkw (trucks) and 6.PzSp.Wg
(Panzerspaehwagen=arm.recce vehicle)

-1(MotZ)Mp: 6 Kraeder, 1 Kettenkrd, 7 Pkw, 7 MTW
(Mannschaftstransportwagen, troop carrier), 13 Lkw, 1 Maultier, 1
Zgkw.sf. 2 cm, 3 Anhaenger 1-achs (single axle trailer), 1 Pkw.Gen
(Generator Pkw). 3 Lkw Gen (Generator Truck)
-2.Komp: 4 Kraeder, 8 Pkw, 14 Lkw, 1 Maultier, 2 x Kettenkrad, 3
Panzer(sturmgeschuetz), 1 Bergepanzer, 1 SF 7.5 cm PAK (also listed
Getriebe (transmission) fuer Pz III, 1 Motor for Pz III.

-3.Komp: 4 Kraeder, 6 Pkw, 3 MTW, 10 Lkw, 1 ZgKw (Zugkrftwgen), 5
PzKpfw III, 3 PzKpfw Sherman.

If one carefully looks at the data contained in these lists the following picture emerges:
The Marder III shown in the various pictures is indeed in the 1./PzJag Bat 346. The 2 StuKa 1/48 are the 2 longbarrelled StuG’s shown in PzWrecks 4. The 6 StuKa L/24 are in 1 StuG Kurzrohr (PW Vol 4) and the 5 PzKpfw III.
Perhaps you noted the inclusion of both the transmissions and engine in the overview of the 2.Kp. The picture of the Bergepanzer III shows clearly the Transmission (the same?????)
The Flak Sf in the picture are probably from the 1.Kp and so on.
The 3 Shermans are definitely from the 3.Kp as no other Shermans are reported in the various list for the other formations, in fact only a very few (mainly ex-French AFV’s) are listed.
So one strange vehicle remains, the Mun Pz II in the various pictures. As this is not listed within the 346 Inf Div, or within the various formations attached to it, it is probably from another formation.
The only formation which lists an armoured vehicle, not identified as a tank, is the Stab der Kuestenverteidigungsabschnitt Sued (20.Fallschirmjaegerdivision), which lists a Panzerfahrgestell in its inventory. Whether or not this is the Mun Pz II is unknown to me.

The Renault R-35 shown in PzWrecks 3 are also very interesting. As I had stated before, information on the vehicles in the Netherlands in May 45 is fairly well known to me. A logical candidate for the ownership of these Renault R-35 tanks is the Kampfkommandant Rotterdam (battle commander Rotterdam) which listed 6 Panzer mit je 1 3.7 cm Kanone und 1 MG (6 tanks with each a 3.7 cm gun and 1 machine gun) on 8.5.45.
This is a logical candidate as the troops of the Kampfkommandant Rotterdam were to assemble/concentrate in an area southeast of Rotterdam (Formations include III.Batillon/Sicherungsregiment 26, 7th and 8th Company of Festungsstamm truppen LXXXVIII).

The other candidate, which I feel is illogical, is the Kampfkommandant Amsterdam, which lists 8 French Tanks (1 x 4.7 cm gun, 7 x 3.7 cm gun, 1 Tank of 18 Ton, 4 tanks of 12 tons, and 3 of 10 tons, alongside 2 Pzspaehwagen und 2 armoured Raupenschlepper). These troops were to concentrate Ijmuiden and therefore should not be near Rotterdam.

So much for now.”

Many thanks to Mr Heitman for sharing this information with us. On page 80 of Panzerwrecks 4, we managed to incorrectly give the location as Armsfoot, it should read Amersfoort. That taught us not to copy the locations from the photo caption …


Panzerwrecks X P2 – Panzer IV/70(V)

We received a message from David. R. Roy pointing out what should have been obvious to us; that the Panzer IV/70(V) on page 2 is actually a Befehlswagen. If the tactical number of ’201′ (a company commander’s vehicle) did not give it away, it should have been the extra antenna mount clearly visible on the engine deck. Regular Pz.IV/70(V)s were fitted with an antenna mount on the right side of the engine deck, just behind the fighting compartment. This one is somewhat higher and set further back. The crop from the original Signal Corps shot below also shows to good effect the moulding seam on the spare roadwheel carried on the engine deck, modellers take note. Thank you to David for spotting this.

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